Register
It is currently Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:16 am

Reporting at Cruise

View active topics

All times are UTC


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 5 posts ] 
Author Message
 PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:09 pm   
Ground
Ground

Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:58 pm
Posts: 12
Location: ('')
Hello,

There have been people asking if they should report when at cruising altitude. I have heard it and wanted to shine some light on it.

I went to the airport with my father yesterday at Halifax Stanfield INTL airport. A common occasion since hes a Air Canada employee there. Anyways, when I got there my dad asked his co-worker that was working at the Jazz/GGN gates to take me since my dad was dealing with management. I seen my dads two friends taxing into the gate after flying from Moncton (YQM) since there Beechcraft 1900D pilots for GGN. After all the passengers left, I went into the flight deck to talk to them. I basically asked them questions how they do it in real life. When I came around and asked, "Do you ever report at cruising altitude." He said that they never do and never had to. One reason is for this, It fills the radio with unneeded information.They know you are there, since they have a radar screen and can read it. If they can't , well they shouldn't be controlling. For no radar positions, they report a lot more then altitude aka position reports.

Yes, some may say, well Center isn't really busy enough so they can. But, there isn't a lot of times that pilots/ATC get stepped on. So , by reporting altitude a greater chance of that and ATC doesn't like that much. The same thing was said when I talked to a Air Canada Embraer pilot.

This was meant to tell all those who have questioned about it and if they do it real life. The answer is no, not in real life.

Thanks,

Daniel MacFarlane


Last edited by dmacfarlane on Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am, edited 0 times in total.
Reason: ('')


Top
 Profile E-mail WWW ICQ YIM  
 PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:56 pm   
Center
Center
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:52 pm
Posts: 96
Location: Boston
Great info!

_________________
Image
Image


Last edited by MikeA on Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am, edited 0 times in total.
Reason: ('')


Top
 Profile E-mail WWW YIM  
 PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:45 pm   
Ground
Ground

Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:58 pm
Posts: 12
Location: ('')
Also, I forgot about this, was brought up by Mark L, this is only meant for when your with the same controller. Checking in with a different one still means that you have to state the altitude.


Last edited by dmacfarlane on Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am, edited 0 times in total.
Reason: ('')


Top
 Profile E-mail WWW ICQ YIM  
 PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 6:09 pm   
Center
Center
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:25 pm
Posts: 169
Location: Midland, MI
Good info, Daniel!

I thought that when RVSM was rolled out initially there was an expectation to report at cruise, but perhaps I was mistaken. Ah well - noted for future reference. :)

_________________
Victor Sussman, VAC061
Virtual Air Canada
http://www.vacanada.org
Vancouver Crew Base
'Splendor Sine Occasu'


Victor Sussman, CDN115
Canadi>n Airlines Virtual
Toronto Hub
http://www.flycav.com
'There's a Goose on the loose!'


Last edited by Victor Sussman on Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am, edited 0 times in total.
Reason: ('')


Top
 Profile WWW  
 PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:08 pm   
Ground
Ground

Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:33 am
Posts: 22
Location: ('')
The Jazz guys are mainly correct.

Reports of reaching altitude are not required but recommended when operating in a non-radar environment (most of the Northern and Arctic Domestic airspace). This policy of course would not really apply to VatSim as, due to the nature of our network, pilots are always in a radar environment.

Here is the excerpt from Canada`s Aeronautical Information Manual (AIM).

Quote:
8.4 Altitude Reports

Although the CARs do not specifically direct pilots to report altitude information to ATC, pilots, if not operating in radar airspace (i.e. radar-identified by ATC), should report reaching the altitude to which the flight has been initially cleared. When climbing or descending en route, pilots should report when leaving a previously-assigned altitude and when reaching the assigned altitude.

On initial contact with ATC, or when changing from one ATC frequency to another, when operating in radar or non-radar airspace, pilots of IFR and CVFR flights should state the assigned cruising altitude and, when applicable, the altitude through which the aircraft is climbing or descending.

In order for ATC to use Mode C altitude information for separation purposes, the aircraft Mode C altitude readout must be verified. The Mode C altitude is considered valid if the readout value does not differ from the aircraft reported altitude by more than 200 ft. The readout is considered invalid if the difference is 300 ft or more. Therefore, it is expected that pilot altitude reports, especially during climbs and descents, will be made to the nearest 100-ft increment.

Example:

EDMONTON CENTRE AIR CANADA 801 HEAVY, LEAVING 8 300 FEET, CLIMBING TO FLIGHT LEVEL 350.

If the phrase “report reaching”, “report leaving” or “report passing” is used by ATC, the pilot shall comply (CAR 602.31—Compliance with Air Traffic Control Instructions and Clearances).


Rob

_________________
Rob N
S2 - CZYZ
Image


Last edited by nabieszko on Thu Jan 01, 1970 12:00 am, edited 0 times in total.
Reason: ('')


Top
 Profile E-mail WWW ICQ YIM  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 5 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
Style originally created by Volize © 2003 • Redesigned SkyLine by MartectX © 2008 - 2009